ps4 Pfister Supercup (Squirrel)

[Crawford1872 2,587]

Yeah i tried to go wired but couldn't get it to work so I got a signal booster and stuck it in the same room as the PS4 and from there on it was a lot better, just plug it into a wall socket dead easy troops

[Squirrel 5,180]

Something similar to this can work where wireless isn't strong enough and you can't run cable throughout where you live:

[no_snacks 3,345]

48 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

There are a couple of members of our crew who are very experienced with lag and ways of dealing with it and improving their connection. If they can chip in here and give some advice it would be great.

 @no_snacks who probably has the worst internet connection on the planet but has managed to adapt his driving to minimise problems in races.

I don't think I've got the worst internet in the crew.  Pretty sure that honour goes to Mousey, maybe Skorpion's next and then me. 

I'm already hard wired, and I don't have any tips for improving the quality or stability other than make sure there's no other devices using your bandwidth. (like kids downloading a video or wife streaming The Bachelor) 

I do have plenty of experience trying to limit the problems on track though.  I never (very, very rarely) dive down the inside of a corner.  90% of the time the game doesn't think I've slowed down and turned towards the apex, so on other peoples' screens my car goes straight on and takes them out.  Makes it hard to overtake when the most common way of doing it is out of the question, but I just have to accept that's how it is and wait for a safer opportunity to pass.  I'll often back out of a battle if I'm on the inside while approaching a corner.  I'd prefer to wait rather than accidentally take someone out and have to give the place back anyway.  It's more time effective to simply give up the position in the first place.

During the Monaco race, Potato said I was jumping around a bit and he was having a hard time trying to pass.  I was holding him up anyway, so rather than get taken out with a lag hit, I moved to one side and slowed down on the main straight so he and Fin could pass.  After that my race was pretty much just me alone on the track, so even if I was lagging, it wasn't really an issue this race.

The other thing is keeping a steady line.  Any sudden movements left or right, or even slowing down too much can have a serious delay before they register on someone else's screen.  Just remember though, it's not always the players with a shitty connection that lag, so everyone should be cautious around other cars.  Sometimes it's hard, like at the start when you're in the middle of the pack, but whenever possible you should always leave a bit of extra room or limit the moving around on track.  

I'm pretty sure all the unnecessary live streaming that people do isn't helping the situation either.  I mean, it's not like your 3 subscribers are going to be upset if you don't stream the race.  

If I feel my lag is causing serious issues for a lot of people, I may pull over or leave the race, but as far as telling people not to play because of their lag - well that just sucks.  Nobody tells us to stop playing a DM or LTS when they're shooting us through walls or killing us mid roll after we've pumped 10 rounds into their heads, so to ask us not to play a race is pretty rough IMO.  Everyone has to take the good with the bad and try their best to limit the incidents by being more aware and smarter about what they're doing on track.

[Squirrel 5,180]

Cheers @no_snacks good advice there.

Another factor which is something I experienced myself the other week is how tired your PS4 is. I had left mine on for a few days in the creator and had forgot all about it. I left the creator and jumped straight into a playlist. Even though my internet speed was it's usual 200MB+ the effect of my car on the others around it was something akin to an epileptic fit.

So make sure your PS4 is well rested and cooled before a big event! 

[JuniorChubb 3,360]

55 minutes ago, no_snacks said:

but as far as telling people not to play because of their lag - well that just sucks. 

Snacks you make me feel so guilty... 

Not saying do not play if you are laggy, I am saying don't play if you cannot be bothered to make sure your connection as good as possible.  

There is plenty of advice on here and the rest of the web on improving your connection, if you ignore it and join a 25 player race via wifi that is being shared by other people you really should consider the side effects for other racers. 

Spot on with the streaming too, IMO if we are to stream the race we should invite someone in after the start who can spectate, let them and them alone stream as they do not have a car bouncing around the track to worry about and it is a lot more cinematic for viewers as race positions, lap times and different drivers can all be viewed on the fly.

Edited May 31, 2017 by JuniorChubb

[Potato 922]

IMO, it's fine to race with a bit of lag if you're going to be decent about it. Like @no_snacks letting me pass, and what he said about not diving down the inside.

and FairPlay to @TheBoyBry for quitting the race when he realised the amount of lag he had.

...however when you're flying round the track and still taking the racing line even when lapping cars with no consideration for other people, lag is a huge issue and isn't fair on others. You have to understand that the people you're lapping are also racing for position. I never had any issues with lag during the race, but @acdc_sw must've known he'd taken people out due to lag due to people mysteriously crashing into walls and still didn't wait for them...

[Beez 5,091]

My view of the last 10 laps. Also first GTA Online video I've ever uploaded.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bBkA2rnGe0

[BryannosaurusRex 1,173]

As much as I enjoy the car and that track (and I know I'm no where near as quick as most of you guys) I felt it was the right thing to do. 

 

Seeing @Squirrel and @djw180vids and the amount of issues I caused in the 1st 5 laps, it was only going to get worse. I had no idea I was lagging as everybody else was fine for me. It was only when I must have hit squirrel up the bum and then him hitting me that it was pretty bad. 

If we could could postpone the series until December when I'm due for my super fast fibre broadband that would be great!

[Squirrel 5,180]

2 hours ago, JuniorChubb said:

Spot on with the streaming too, IMO if we are to stream the race we should invite someone in after the start who can spectate, let them and them alone stream as they do not have a car bouncing around the track to worry about and it is a lot more cinematic for viewers as race positions, lap times and different drivers can all be viewed on the fly.

I do really like this idea. If there are a couple of volunteers willing to do this it will be a big help especially for getting uninterrupted footage. Better race angles too for replays and recreating videos for promoting the series. 

I'll keep streaming, I need to have the tables post qualifying and race available for viewing plus my connection is good enough. Anyone else wishing to carry on streaming please do as long as you have ultra high speed internet without other drains on your resources. 

[JuniorChubb 3,360]

1 hour ago, Squirrel said:

I do really like this idea. If there are a couple of volunteers willing to do this it will be a big help especially for getting uninterrupted footage. Better race angles too for replays and recreating videos for promoting the series. 

I'll keep streaming, I need to have the tables post qualifying and race available for viewing plus my connection is good enough. Anyone else wishing to carry on streaming please do as long as you have ultra high speed internet without other drains on your resources. 

I would be happy to do this for you... the trouble is it would put my title shot in jeopardy

Seriously though, for future events of this scale it is something I might be up for. Me and Bing could also run commentary too. It would be much more appealing for people to watch too rather than getting that one view for the whole race.

Does anybody know if swapping between the player you are viewing has any impact on their connection or frame rate? If not we could have two people spectating (one streaming)  both in a party and we could be the commentary team, we could cover qualifying times, grid positions, past results, favourites and chuck a bit of banter in too. Defo make what could be a dull race to spctate into something a lot of fun to watch.

Edited May 31, 2017 by JuniorChubb

[Realjaysee 209]

that would be rediculously amazing @JuniorChubb. Love it how you guys keep amazing me. 4 months ago, i was tired of gta racing because of people in random lobbies constantly crashing into each other, now we're talking about a race with live commentary ? ?

Edited May 31, 2017 by Jc10110

[JuniorChubb 3,360]

7 minutes ago, Realjaysee said:

that would be rediculously amazing @JuniorChubb. Love it how you guys keep amazing me. 4 months ago, i was tired of gta racing because of people in random lobbies constantly crashing into each other, now we're talking about a race with live commentary ? ?

It only takes a post to get involved   http://gtaforums.com/topic/881624-real-life-tracks-night-part-ii-wed-2000-ps4/?p=1069406285

[Tremonius 24]

15 hours ago, Realjaysee said:

Yeah, @acdc_sw had problems with his connection. I think all of his crashes were due to his lag.

I really hate to say it, but I guess people with bad connection should just quit the race. @Tremonius and the black car (forgot his name) made me lose :

-  about 15 seconds on crashes

- time for overtaking people for the second time

- time behind a lagging car (difficult to overtake a car that is everywhere on the track).

Don't mean to attack any of you guys, but it really sucks like hell

Hey JC. I am really sorry that my jumping car caused problems to you but in fact I had a real good connection during the race. Your Video is the only one where my car is jumping and I watch all which are posted here. I had no lag issues with other players, the only one who was jumping on my screen was acdc. I could not know that I cause issues to you so there was no need to leave the race.

[Realjaysee 209]

@Tremonius, didnt know that. Anyone has any idea how i can be possible that he only lags on my screen? I think my connection is ok as i never got any complaints. 

I made that post to show what consequenses a lagging car can  didnt mean to blame you for my bad finishing position ?

And as @Squirrel said, (almost) everyone had issues with lagging cars. Some had more issues than the others, but a good finishing position is, just like irl, the result of skills/good luck. Im sure i'll have more luck in the next races. And that aside, i did around 17 overtakes, you have no idea how much fun i had ?

@JuniorChubb, indeed. Despite people stealing my name and the lack of rocket pickups in most races, i am really glad i found you guys ? #nohomo

 

Edited June 1, 2017 by Jc10110

[Potato 922]

6 hours ago, Tremonius said:

Hey JC. I am really sorry that my jumping car caused problems to you but in fact I had a real good connection during the race. Your Video is the only one where my car is jumping and I watch all which are posted here. I had no lag issues with other players, the only one who was jumping on my screen was acdc. I could not know that I cause issues to you so there was no need to leave the race.

Trem, you were severely lagging in mine on the last lap, it wasn't that you were jumping about, you just appeared in a barrier, then infront of me, then in another barrier. It was so bad that it didn't cause any issues for me ?

[zmurko 7,622]

7 hours ago, Tremonius said:

Hey JC. I am really sorry that my jumping car caused problems to you but in fact I had a real good connection during the race. Your Video is the only one where my car is jumping and I watch all which are posted here. I had no lag issues with other players, the only one who was jumping on my screen was acdc. I could not know that I cause issues to you so there was no need to leave the race.

I didnt have any lag issues with you for the most part Trem, but there was an occasional lag and when there was one, it was pretty bad. You even did a David Copperfield in front of me at one point:

 

[Smurf 948]

On ‎5‎/‎31‎/‎2017 at 6:13 AM, Squirrel said:

I agree it does suck and lag is a big problem especially on the stunt tracks which generally do use all the available props. I'm considering proposing a limit of amount of cars on track for the next season if the lag and frame rate issues are worse when there are more drivers. We had 25 at Monaco compared to 21 at Catalunya plus the track was in an area with more scenery/water/trees which also contributed to the frame rate issues.

There are ways of improving your connection and it is advisable to do so when possible. @Crawford1872 had one of the worst connections in the crew but managed to switch to a wired set up which improved his connection drastically. Not a solution that everyone is able to do though.

Everyone throughout the field from the front to the back was affected by the lagging cars. AC's lag caused a lot of issues when lapping and for Best Racer at the front, I had a big collision at the back which was lag related which meant my race was over before it began plus a whole range of people in between were also affected.

We can't single out a reason why one person lost because of lag when everyone suffered throughout the field.

I don't want to impose a rule forcing drivers to quit the race but if you see all the cars jumping around you, chances are you're the person lagging. @TheBoyBry was one of the drivers suffering the most and did the gentlemanly thing and stepped out of the race. 

If a poor connection is causing problems for the people around you then it is down to you to consider how it is affecting other drivers on track.

 

There are a couple of members of our crew who are very experienced with lag and ways of dealing with it and improving their connection. If they can chip in here and give some advice it would be great.

 @no_snacks who probably has the worst internet connection on the planet but has managed to adapt his driving to minimise problems in races.

@Smurf was suffering really badly and struggled to even connect to the game but since a session with Rockstar support they managed to change their game and playstation settings to make gaming possible again.

My issues started after the GTA V December update, I am always connected to Ethernet since the days of PS3, with multiple new Ethernet cables & a fiber optic one, I have no connectivity problems with any other game.

Well the problem could range from a few things IMO:

1) PS4 Hard Drive/ Disc Drive lens

2) Modem/ router compatibility & features issue        Mines being a Huawei HG8245Q

3) Internet Service Provider

4) R*

 

Lets start with the hard drive. While the PS4 is off hold down the power button until you hear the second beep & on the menu choose rebuild Database. If the problem still persists you might need to initialize your Hard Drive, it erases the whole hard drive leaving only the system default software which is known to solve problems with games.You can create a backup via usb drive spanning from 250GB - 8TB. To initialize go to settings>initialize and follow the on screen instructions. Get the system software from the link below. (scroll to the bottom of the webpage the file will always be close to 900MB if not you have chosen the wrong file to download https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/system-updates/ps4/.) The lens of your PS4 disc drive could be worn out and needs to be replaced or just dirty & not reading the disc properly. Remember to initialize if reinstall the system software.

 

 Our Modem/ router features might vary in name but execute the same functions. Go to LAN >DHCP Static IP Configuration & insert your PS4 Mac Address (Lan Cable)  example  AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:FF  & your PS4 IP Address Example 192.168.1.1 on the PS4 just go to Settings>Network>View Connection Status to find these. On the router enable IPv6  If the method of obtaining LAN addresses is 'NOT' SLAAC. Under your router security settings  Security > DoS Configuration this should be the only setting enabled 'Prevent ICMP Redirection Attack.' Normally I would recommend DMZ Mode but my modem states & I quote 'The DMZ device restricts unreliable external connections from linking up to the device.'

 

Contact your Internet Service Provider & ask them to open all your ports & also ask them to make your public ip address 'static,' but if they can't make it static you might want to hold off on opening all ports because in that case your external IP Address constantly changes in which a DDNS is required to rectify the issue. Check your modem/ router go to Network Application>DDNS Configuration> Service Provider drop down list & go to each website on the list & making sure at lease one of them provides free DDNS Service after signing up, & creating a HostName Example Smurf.DDNSDYD.COM & testing it or if your willing to pay then ....You will find your external ip address to use in your DDNS here http://www.whatsmyip.org/ but if your External IP Address keeps changing every couple hrs definitely call your ISP & have all ports unlocked. To port forward your now unlocked ports, look for your router brand & model here  https://portforward.com/router.htm, after finding your router on the website, in step 4 change the application to 'Grand Theft Auto V Playstation 4' & the IP address to your PS4 so that the website shows you the accurate ports & how to enter the ports to be forwarded. Ping test your PS4 IP Address while its turn on from your computer, on the computer hit the windows key type cmd & start the Command Prompt app & ping your console ip address Example  ping 192.168.1.1 -f -l 1473 keep lower the number of the mtu sent to 1472, 1471 until all mtu packets are sent without an issue.Create a new network on the PS4, choose the manual method & use the working MTU numbers along with inputting the other obvious details.

Find the fastest DNS from computer here with this software benchmark https://www.grc.com/dns/benchmark.htm

 

If you need further help message my psn @Smurf_Glory

Edited June 2, 2017 by Smurf

[Squirrel 5,180]

Cheers @Smurf some good information there, hopefully can help those suffering with lag in the last race.

[Potato 922]

My POV:

 

[Squirrel 5,180]

Quite a lonely race for you by the looks of things. I can imagine Canada being a lot closer

[Tremonius 24]

Hm I didnt realise the problems with the lag. I tested the speed before and after the race and it was okay, perhaps there was a connection problem in the middle of the race I didnt realise.

[Fido_le_muet 5,198]

25 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

Quite a lonely race for you by the looks of things. I can imagine Canada being a lot closer

Potato is always lonely Both race he was stuck between me in 4th and the 2 rockets in fronts.

[Potato 922]

5 minutes ago, Fido_le_muet said:

Potato is always lonely Both race he was stuck between me in 4th and the 2 rockets in fronts.

Sad but true ? I don't mind though because I'm an alright hot lapper

[JuniorChubb 3,360]

1 hour ago, Tremonius said:

Hm I didnt realise the problems with the lag. I tested the speed before and after the race and it was okay, perhaps there was a connection problem in the middle of the race I didnt realise.

You may have just suffered from intermittent drops in speed, you wouldn't notice them yourself whist racing.

[Squirrel 5,180]

Results for the race should be getting confirmed in the next day or so. Have to remember the stewards have real lives outside the game and have a fair bit of footage to review.

While we are waiting and practicing Canada, what are peoples thoughts on the Hockenheim track that has been proposed, I know @Fido_le_muet said he knew of a better version. The track isn't a crew created one so any issues can't be corrected beforehand so our options are limited. We can either use it as planned or find an alternative.

Also think about Austria around 5 weeks away. It may seem like a long way off but the track creator @adsyfindlay is a student and is currently in the middle of exams and will need a lot of notice for any changes that need to be made.