ps4 Pfister Supercup (Squirrel)

[Mythaga 312]

Not going to comment on all the BS above but some people need to grow the fuck up that's all I'm going to say. But as Ally said it's a very well run series and a credit to @Squirrel.

Not a huge fan of some of the tracks though and I hate the car and it's annoying tendency to slide mid corner for no fucking reason! (It's getting sold as soon as the season is over lol)

I will probably see out the season but very much doubt I will do a second season to be honest. 

If theres another championship run with different cars and a variety of tracks (not just flat stunt piece tracks) Then I would be interested.

I personally think it's a waste of time trying to re-create real circuits in GTA. While there has been some good efforts they will never be right. (Go play Project Cars/Forza/GT etc if you want real tracks) 

Its much more fun and creative to build realistic fictional circuits using the props and environment available so maybe a championship based around those kind of tracks would be more enjoyable?

There's loads of great tracks available...

IF, and it's a huge IF, theres enough interest I maybe tempted to run another mini-series in a similar vain to the LSTCC. Although it didn't get the numbers of the Super Cup it was a very enjoyable, light hearted little series with minimal bitching...

[JuniorChubb 3,360]

 

[Squirrel 5,180]

I like it too. Love the challenge of the car as you never know exactly what it will do. 

[Crawford1872 2,587]

I think it's cool on the roads, not nice to drive but that night we raced it all over the streets of ls was fun and difficult because like you say it's a handful especially on the bumps. But on tracks where you hold down R2 99% of the time having it just slide away for no reason sometimes is just frustrating for me, because I know people would make far more mistakes on the actual roads that I probably wouldn't, like I say it's a preference thing tbh. I'd say we've all learned a lot lol. 

Edited August 24, 2017 by Crawford1872

[Paulie 1,006]

I will only say, please @Protocawl stay.

And this Cup's been absolutely great, most aspects are to appreciate.

Just fun for all like @Squirrel said, so much folks sometimes things go bad

Normally incidents were quicky sorted out, now not the case with so much shout.

Hopefully now with the biggest part of the storm gone,  the nice players can just race on!

 

 

Love the Comet and I am really sorry my dear @JuniorChubb,

That I have to miss your next track in the Pfister Cup! 

Edited August 24, 2017 by Paulie

[zmurko 7,622]

Intermezzo:

Quote

As a senior citizen was driving down the freeway, his car phone rang. Answering, he heard his wife's voice urgently warning him, "Herman, I just heard on the news that there's a car going the wrong way on 280. Please be careful!"

"Hell," said Herman, "It's not just one car. It's hundreds of them!"

 

[Protocawl 2,971]

On 8/24/2017 at 0:38 PM, Realjaysee said:

@Protocawl : I don't know anything about networking, but it looks logic to me that if someone streams, there's a higher chance of lag. You say that you always noticed lag between us... Anyone else see me lagging sometimes? I think I am completely "lag-free" as I have had a lot of (very) close battles with others which didn't end up in someone crashing. If you are the only one who has lag-issues with me, I think the problem is your connection, not mine. And that could be solved/minimised by not streaming. Again, I'm not a network engineer, but that seems logic to me. 

You are absolutly right about the "he stole a watch so I can do it too"-theory, but it's extremely difficult to not get tempted if you are batteling for third with someone who's doing it. But as Fido said, it's up to the stewards. Will accept a warning or penalty.

 

Really? almost every corner? Every chicane becomes a straight?

I often hit the curbs indeed, but in a way that's allowed (on the curbs, two wheels between the white lines, see Page 1 of this thread). If I'm not fast enough on the exit to hit the curb, I won't go for it. Enough examples in my video.

I've cut some corners indeed, but not intentional and I often lost time with it as it messed up my racing line.

 

I might have mixed you up with acdc, or you might have been slightly laggy to me as well, I can't say 100% now that I think about it. As for the streaming part, I'm quite sure you couldn't tell the difference when I am streaming compared to when I'm not streaming in-game. My connection, as mentioned, allows for it and no-one else is using my connection during our Supercup nights either. Only GTA and Twitch are using my connection at those times. I didn't have any other lag incidents with anyone before or after our little lag-contact either at Spa. If I felt that the stream was causing more lag, I'd stop it, but it doesn't seem to be doing that at all. All races have been mostly lag-free from my experience. Only those few who have been laggy to me during other gaming sessions have been lagging during these races, too. Haven't seen anything to prove otherwise from other videos either, so I have nothing else to say about this matter.

Extremely difficult to resist the temptation to break the rules if someone else is doing it? It's only difficult to resist if one is either taking this competition way too seriously for what it is; they're trying too bloody hard; and/or they're not concerned about getting punished for breaking the rules, because someone else is also doing it. There are only a few simple rules in place to keep this from becoming a 'win by any means necessary' event, and it's not difficult to follow these rules as long as you remember that it's not a matter of life or death. This event is supposed to be more of a fun parody of the real-life counterpart. A parody, because it's in GTA, using fictional car models, with fictional names, with ridiculous flaws in the driving mechanics, on lego-like re-created racetracks. As has been mentioned before, if anyone wants to participate in some proper competitive racing online, go play Project Cars/Forza/Gran Turismo/Assetto Corsa/etc. That's definitely where I go when I get an urge to do some serious racing. This is supposed to be more casual here. Fun in a racing competition such as this to me is when all racers are on the same page about what it is they're involved in, follow the few simple rules and no-one knows for sure who will win the race any given day. I can't sense that here to be honest.

 

I do apologise for my incorrect wording, claiming that you were 'cutting almost every corner' and 'every chicane becomes a straight', though. That was an exaggeration.

However, I'm not talking about driving on the red-white kerbs/rumble strips. Having two wheels on those is well within the rules and doesn't increase your speed. I'm talking about going noticeably over onto the other side of the red-white kerbs/rumble strips where the boost activates. I took the time to watch your POV once more and I noted down every serious occasion of such corner-cutting and boosts from going wide this time. Maybe a few were accidental, but most are just from carelessly pushing your limits, knowing that even if you go wide or cut a corner, you won't be punished for it; on the contrary - you'll get a small boost to help you inch closer to those ahead of you and away from those behind you. Most of your race was nicely within the rules, yes, but there was an occasion or more each lap that could be considered as breaking the rules. Worst violations happened on laps 10-13. Most of those incidents didn't mess up your racing line at all either, so I don't know what you're talking about there.

Lap 1 - Cut the 2nd chicane (turn 12-13 aka the Fagnes chicane, if the 1st chicane is Les Combes aka turns 5-6, right after the Kemmel Straight, and the 3rd is the final chicane right before the start/finish straight aka turns 18-19)

Lap 2 - Went wide before turn 15 aka Curve Paul Frere and caught up immediately after it to the two racers in front

Lap 3 - Went wide on turn 1 exit, yet the gap with the chasers increased

Lap 4 - Cut the 2nd chicane again, maybe accidental

Lap 5 - Went wide on turn 9 exit, after the U-turn aka Rivage, seems aimed or very careless; went wide and then cut 2nd chicane, pushing too hard; went wide on final chicane exit

Lap 6 - Cut turn 9; cut turn 10, Pouhon; boost on right side after turn 15 aka Curve Paul Frere; went wide on final chicane exit again, not that bad, though

Lap 7 - Went wide on final chicane exit yet again

Lap 8 - Cut 1st chicane; cut 2nd chicane a bit, got closer to car in front as a result

Lap 9 - Cut Eau Rouge exit

Lap 10 - Failed cut of 1st chicane, followed by going wide on exit; went wide on turn 9 exit again, seems aimed again; went very wide after 2nd chicane, before Curve Paul Frere again; cut final chicane; small aimed boosts coming in all over the lap, including after Curve Paul Frere on the right again and on final chicane exit among others

Lap 11 - Went wide on turn 1 exit again; went wide on 1st chicane exit again (slid a bit); cut final chicane again and went wide on exit again as well

Lap 12 - Went wide on turn 1 exit yet again; went wide on 1st chicane exit yet again and caught up very fast all of a sudden to the car in front; went wide before Curve Paul Frere yet again

Lap 13 - Cut Eau Rouge in all possible spots; cut 1st chicane and got punished for it; went wide on left side after Curve Paul Frere, seems aimed; went wide on final chicane exit one last time

 

In the same corners over and over, while there are laps where you take those corners perfectly... You're showing you know how to take those laps cleanly and fast, but you still decide you want that little extra boost for some reason. I know you and Fido are both good enough racers and have practiced this track enough to not screw up that many times in the same corners. Yes,  @Fido_le_muet also made very similar "mistakes" in way too many places, some being very obvious. It's not an excuse to do the same. That is disappointing and the excuses from both of you were just sad in my opinion. As far as I'm concerned and from what I've seen from both of your videos, you're both breaking the rules and should be penalised in some way. But that's just me. Only the stewards can decide what they'll do about this, if anything. I'm just going with my experience as a GTA racer and the evidence provided. Hope that's honest and accurate enough of an answer. If you can't catch someone even when you break the rules then why break the rules at all? Just race fair against those who are close to your level, instead of boosting yourself away from them. If you get ahead of them without breaking the rules, fair game, if not, you'll have an exciting race exchanging positions.

 

On 8/24/2017 at 2:03 PM, Squirrel said:

Some great racing though and don't forget that this is a fun series. There's no prize money so it's all about the enjoyment of taking part.

Funnily enough the enjoyment is gone for me due to some not realising that it is supposed to be a fun event and not a hardcore 'win or die' racing championship. It was fun for a while though and I appreciate everything you've done to make this event into such a massive and successful project. Really well organised! Many useful lessons learned in the process as well.

 

On 8/24/2017 at 3:55 PM, Mythaga said:

I personally think it's a waste of time trying to re-create real circuits in GTA. While there has been some good efforts they will never be right. (Go play Project Cars/Forza/GT etc if you want real tracks) 

Its much more fun and creative to build realistic fictional circuits using the props and environment available so maybe a championship based around those kind of tracks would be more enjoyable?

There's loads of great tracks available...

I completely agree. There's a lot of player-created tracks out there that are very well done and much more enjoyable than these re-creations that will never be good enough. Perhaps it's time to start concentrating on those.

 

17 hours ago, Paulie said:

I will only say, please @Protocawl stay.

 

On 8/24/2017 at 1:53 PM, JuniorChubb said:

I really think you should consider sticking it out @Protocawl. We are halfway through and you have put a lot of commitment in to get half way through the season. A one race break might be enough for you to shake off your current irritations (but you will be missing the best track of the series ) and hopefully we will see you back for the rest of the season.

 

Considering I was thinking about leaving even before Spa and after the race I felt it would've been the right decision, it's highly unlikely that I'll attend any more races. Sorry team Tenshun, but if the races feel like a stressful ordeal, which they have felt like for the last few races now, I would much rather do something more positive and fun instead. Maybe I'll be back for a race or more after Monza, since there's some great twisty tracks coming up and they can provide some great racing, but since PC2 will be out by that time and I have a feeling I will almost completely leave GTA racing behind once it does, I probably won't.

[Fido_le_muet 5,198]

43 minutes ago, Protocawl said:

I know you and Fido are both good enough racers and have practiced this track enough to not screw up that many times in the same corners. Yes,  @Fido_le_muet also made very similar "mistakes" in way too many places, some being very obvious. It's not an excuse to do the same. That is disappointing and the excuses from both of you were just sad in my opinion.

I haven't said anything before but honestly I'm a bit hurt at all your remarks Proto. We've raced many times together the past two years and I thought you noticed I wasn't the kind of person who actively tries to cheat and exploit curbs or whatever to gain a few tenth. 

FYI, I haven't practiced the track at all, being neck deep in Zelda since early july. So the mistakes you see in my video are real mistakes. And you'll notice that I even let go of the gas a few times when that happened to 'prove/make sure' I wasn't taking advantage of that, most notably when JC overtook me in the main straight after I went too wide. 

Now if you feel I cheated, I'll be happy to get a 10 place drop on next race grids. 

Just a bit disappointed at what you said, coming from a guy I appreciate. 

[Protocawl 2,971]

17 minutes ago, Fido_le_muet said:

I haven't said anything before but honestly I'm a bit hurt at all your remarks Proto. We've raced many times together the past two years and I thought you noticed I wasn't the kind of person who actively tries to cheat and exploit curbs or whatever to gain a few tenth. 

FYI, I haven't practiced the track at all, being neck deep in Zelda since early july. So the mistakes you see in my video are real mistakes. And you'll notice that I even let go of the gas a few times when that happened to 'prove/make sure' I wasn't taking advantage of that, most notably when JC overtook me in the main straight after I went too wide.

It was not my intention to hurt anyone and in no way was it meant to mean anything like that. I know you're not that kind of a racer, I'm not calling you a serial kerb-booster or anything of the kind. What I was trying to say, is that it might just happen that you started going wide, getting some accidental boosts, then JC started pushing harder, going wide, cutting corners to keep up, then you maybe started pushing it more, doing it a bit more to defend your position from him again. It can happen like that, maybe you won't even notice doing it during the race. If you did make that many such mistakes, then you must've been pushing it a bit too much, though. I don't remember seeing you go over the lines so many times before, even with little to no practice, which is why it didn't sound 100% correct.

[Fido_le_muet 5,198]

I did make many more mistakes than usual.

I believe the stewarts need to review my race and judge for themselves. I wrote every time I had 2 wheels over the curb below : 

2:31 : 2 wheels over the curb at eau rouge
3:18 : turned to early, 2 wheels off but slid a bit because of it
4:06 : went wide at the last chicane
4:16 : turned too early
5:26 : turned too early, let go of the gas
6:05 : went wide at the last chicane
9:06 : turned too early, cut the corner
9:26 : turned too early, let go of the gas fpr a plit second after
10:02 : cut the last chicane, hit Potato, slowed down to let him regain the gap he had on me
10:29 : cut the exit at Eau Rouge
11:25 : turned too early but slid right after
11:38 : went wide at the exit
12:04 : went wide at the last chicane, slowed down to let JC pass
13:14 : 2 wheels slightly over the curb
13:32 : turned too early
15:57 : cut the last chicane, defended too much against JC
16:25 : cut the exit at Eau Rouge
17:57 : cut the last chicane, let go of the gas for a split second
19:09 : 2 wheels over the curb, let go of the gas for a split second
19:44 : cut the corner
19:58 : 2 wheels slightly off at the last chicane
21:54 : went wide at the last chicane, let go of the gas
23:52 : went wide slightly at the last chicane
24:15 : cut the exit at Eau Rouge
25:10 : turned too early, 2 wheels slightly off
 

 

[Realjaysee 209]

Too much text to read, maybe on Monday at work

but a few random facts : 

- Reports of other racers' bad behaviour must reach Squirrel and the stewards by PB

- I like turtles

- Pfister Supercup has no mony prizes 

- On average, there are 178 sesame seeds on each McDonalds BigMac bun

-  GTA Online is just a game

- Chubb is a girl (not really a fact, still not 100%sure)

[JuniorChubb 3,360]

So they are not actually moobs then?

Edited August 26, 2017 by JuniorChubb

[Realjaysee 209]

I dont know how to define it Chubb

[Realjaysee 209]

I've read it anyway, can't get to sleep...

@Protocawl : Regarding the time and effort you took to review my race and write down a brief summary of each lap (you must have spent AT LEAST 1,5 hour on all that, no?) : 

" remember it's not a matter of life or death. This event is supposed to be more of a fun parody of the real-life counterpart. A parody, because it's in GTA, using fictional car models, with fictional names, with ridiculous flaws in the driving mechanics, on lego-like re-created racetracks. As has been mentioned before, if anyone wants to participate in some proper competitive racing online, go play Project Cars/Forza/Gran Turismo/Assetto Corsa/etc. That's definitely where I go when I get an urge to do some serious racing. This is supposed to be more casual here."

(Where have I heard that before.....)

About the lap two curb boost : I guess you cant say anything about that as I overtook you with it, after you pushed me (lag? still waiting for your POV...) and made me lose a place to Myth.

Lap 3 : I hit the barriers, dont think I won time with that

Lap 4 : Because I cut the corner, I had to brake to get back on the racing line. You'll see that in other laps, I take that corner almost full speed

 

Not gonna rewatch my whole race (altough I can't sleep...) and explain all the curb boosts / Corner cuts. I suggest you take a look at other people's video's. Fido and I are not the only ones who don't respect the track limits 100% of the race.  Thanks for saying how perfect I can take some corners, but I am not skilled enough to do that 13 times in a row. Sometimes I go too wide, sometimes not wide enough, sometimes it's right how I want it.

Also, I finished 17 seconds in front of Myth. Don't think that all my (successful) Curb boosts made me win 17 seconds (assuming that Myth didn't have a single accidental curb boost)

Dunno how the stewards think about it, but if they had your way of thinking, they should spend weeks watching every video, counting how many times someone left the track, giving a (1 second?) penalty for each curb boost, rewriting the finishing positions. The few lucky ones who didn't upload their video would gain a lot of places...

And...... REPORT IN PM.

This 'book' you wrote about me is not encouraging people to upload their video after the race. Nobody has uploaded their video here since you started whining.

 

Anyhow, the more salty people leave, the more fun we get in this event!

 

And last but not least, an other mind-blowing random fact : 

Birds don't urinate.

 

 

 

 

Edited August 27, 2017 by Jc10110

[Squirrel 5,180]

Going to weigh in on this. @Protocawl you missed the start of the season when we had the early kerb boost issues where drivers were penalised for taking it to extremes and deliberately looking for the boost.

We're not robots and can't drive with precision lap after lap similar to early AI in the Gran Turismo series. Not everyone takes every corner perfectly each time. Its hard for everyone to even get 1 perfect lap in especially when racing closely with others. 

The kerb boosting rule is to stop the stupid and blantant weaving you see in many races. That is the aspect that is strictly outlawed. FinDNF and Sherrat both fell foul of this rule and they took their ball home when they realised they couldn't race like this. 

If we decided to punish the drivers every time we put more than two wheels over the line our race times we would all have several minutes added to them. 

The bar was set for what was acceptable and what wasn't in those first few races, since then we knew the limits and although they are pushed there hasn't been any cases of anyone deliberately seeking out the kerbs on the straights.

The series has got a little predictable in the results. Three of the top 5 drivers you could put money on finishing in the same place in Monza. Only JC's habit of binning it on the last lap shakes things up. 

Things will be different for Super GT. The two race format (3 including qualifying) reverse grid for the main race and a selection of cars based on driver skills shouldn't mean the races are less straightforward. 

@BRacer may still win all the races but it will be more of a challenge for him when he's starting at the back of the grid and only has around 12 laps to overtake everyone in his Raptor. 

We have a fantastic Monza circuit to race on this time out. @JuniorChubb has done a great job making this dedicated Supercup version. 

After Monza we have our first proper street race at Singapore and it's also going to be a night race too. 

Sepang and Suzuka to follow and then we finish the season off at Fidos Mexico. 

Results will be getting published some time today. 

[Protocawl 2,971]

17 hours ago, Realjaysee said:

About the lap two curb boost : I guess you cant say anything about that as I overtook you with it, after you pushed me (lag? still waiting for your POV...) and made me lose a place to Myth.

My POV was added to my first "book" of a post days ago. Here it is again: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/169388301

It was lag very clearly from my POV. Even if it were my fault, I would say something about that. However, If I had done it on purpose and got penalised for the crash, I'd get a penalty and justice would be served - why boost?

 

I suggest you take a look at other people's video's. Fido and I are not the only ones who don't respect the track limits 100% of the race.  Thanks for saying how perfect I can take some corners, but I am not skilled enough to do that 13 times in a row. Sometimes I go too wide, sometimes not wide enough, sometimes it's right how I want it.

Guessing you did some practice laps before the race? I know at least half the participants do, at least a few laps to get to know the track and reduce the chance of big mistakes during the race. Personally, I ran 12 laps in practice. Not saying everyone should be perfect throughout all laps, I made plenty of mistakes, too, as seen on my video, but for some reason I never cut any of the chicanes so violently or ran that wide. It's because I brake if I'm about to go wide or steer less towards the apex when about to cut a corner. Mistakes happen on every track, but it's about how you tackle them, especially when you know there's a good chance of getting a speed boost when you go wide or cut a corner.

 

Also, I finished 17 seconds in front of Myth. Don't think that all my (successful) Curb boosts made me win 17 seconds (assuming that Myth didn't have a single accidental curb boost)

Dunno how the stewards think about it, but if they had your way of thinking, they should spend weeks watching every video, counting how many times someone left the track, giving a (1 second?) penalty for each curb boost, rewriting the finishing positions. The few lucky ones who didn't upload their video would gain a lot of places...

I never mentioned any specific penalty and never said it should be enough for you to lose a position, neither did I ever claim that other racers didn't have any boosts. Some of yours are just reoccurring and very dubious. I also stated that it was my opinion only, I don't dictate the stewards on what to do or decide. Neither am I suggesting a specific penalty for every noted curb boost, the notes are merely the possible occurrences which IMO should be reviewed. The stewards spending weeks on reviewing everything is what you're thinking, not me - the whole point of having them review the situations is based on someone else providing them the bits of videos that need to be reviewed.

"The few lucky ones who didn't upload their video"? Take another look - most haven't uploaded or posted their videos and that is the case nearly every round, if not every single round.

 

And...... REPORT IN PM.

I'm aware of that, but since this is also a big part of why I'm leaving the Supercup, it was supposed to be a reminder to hopefully stop this issue becoming a widespread normality in this cup, after having noticed this sort of carelessness slowly creeping in in the last few races.

 

This 'book' you wrote about me is not encouraging people to upload their video after the race. Nobody has uploaded their video here since you started whining.

First I'm to blame for the lag, now to blame for the lack of uploads. What next?

Again - most don't upload/post their videos here after any race and there was and is always enough time to do so, had they decided to,  days before my "book" was published. Trying to shift the blame for everything to me as well? One person doing that is enough, don't you think?

 

10 hours ago, Squirrel said:

Going to weigh in on this. @Protocawl you missed the start of the season when we had the early kerb boost issues where drivers were penalised for taking it to extremes and deliberately looking for the boost.

We're not robots and can't drive with precision lap after lap similar to early AI in the Gran Turismo series. Not everyone takes every corner perfectly each time. Its hard for everyone to even get 1 perfect lap in especially when racing closely with others. 

Agreed, almost no-one can run perfect laps over and over. Not asking for perfection every lap, just some self-control. It's not as if I'm doing perfect laps - far from it. I just have enough control that I won't let the car go through everything floored even when I know it can help me get an extra boost. If I start going considerably wide, I let off until I'm back on the track, even when I know being sloppy, keeping it floored and staying wide for a bit longer can give me that little boost to pass someone or pull away from someone behind me.

 

The kerb boosting rule is to stop the stupid and blantant weaving you see in many races. That is the aspect that is strictly outlawed. FinDNF and Sherrat both fell foul of this rule and they took their ball home when they realised they couldn't race like this. 

If we decided to punish the drivers every time we put more than two wheels over the line our race times we would all have several minutes added to them. 

Not every occurrence is deliberate or sloppy, but if it happens in the same spot over and over again with more than 2 wheels over the line... that's careless as far as I'm concerned.

 

 

 

[djw180 6,977]

@Squirrel @JuniorChubb

For Monza, can I just check what marks the track limits where the white line is not visible. Is it simply a case of drive where you like on those corners because you'll hit a slow down strip if you go outside the limits?

Edited August 28, 2017 by djw180

[Squirrel 5,180]

@JuniorChubb has designed the non standard kerbs so they can be driven on as normal. Take too much kerb and there are indeed slow down strips.

[Realjaysee 209]

On 27-8-2017 at 9:49 AM, Squirrel said:

Results will be getting published some time today. 

Question: "What does the Bible say about lying? Is lying a sin?"

Answer: The Bible is clear that lying is a sin and is displeasing to God. The first sin in this world involved a lie told to Eve. The Ten Commandments given to Moses includes “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor” (Exodus 20:16).

[Potato 922]

1 hour ago, Realjaysee said:

Question: "What does the Bible say about lying? Is lying a sin?"

Answer: The Bible is clear that lying is a sin and is displeasing to God. The first sin in this world involved a lie told to Eve. The Ten Commandments given to Moses includes “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor” (Exodus 20:16).

What do you mean? He posted them yesterday morning.

If they're not showing up for you, you got disqualified :/

[Squirrel 5,180]

Will have them up shortly. 

There is a disqualification. Had to wait a little longer while it was discussed 

[Realjaysee 209]

34 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

Will have them up shortly. 

There is a disqualification. Had to wait a little longer while it was discussed 

Spicy ?

[zmurko 7,622]

Pfister Comet Retro has most likely got improved traction now that they've changed the downforce settings again, even more than before the previous change, as it seems spoiler still add traction on top of downforce. Should make racing easier now I guess, hope it doesnt make it even more boring on fast tracks.

[Squirrel 5,180]

6 minutes ago, zmurko said:

Pfister Comet Retro has most likely got improved traction now that they've changed the downforce settings again, even more than before the previous change, as it seems spoiler still add traction on top of downforce. Should make racing easier now I guess, hope it doesnt make it even more boring on fast tracks.

Shame it wasn't changed before Spa. The improved handling may have meant we picked the alternative Spa. 

[JuniorChubb 3,360]

There was something in the patch notes about invisible objects appearing in races once other players have finished, could explain what happened at the end of Spa.