furdog 525 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 No matter the outcome, hoping for the best for our Scottish crew members and all in the region. This is quite the historic event. 4 Quote Link to comment https://www.rockstarsocialclub.net/forums/topic/2805-hoping-for-the-best-for-scotland/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustHatched 12,123 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 I don't watch the news, but did catch a glimpse while channel flippin this morning. I am curious the pros and cons for the Scots to vote yes and to vote no. 1 Quote The funniest thing about this particular signature is that by the time you realise it doesn't say anything it's to late to stop reading it. Link to comment https://www.rockstarsocialclub.net/forums/topic/2805-hoping-for-the-best-for-scotland/#findComment-45786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodge 7,265 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Good question. Independence is such a General term for a country. As Americans we feel that freedom is worth dying for. We wouldnt know what to do without it. But for a country about to get their Independence, the Pros seem obvious, Im more interested in the Opinions for what the Cons are. Quote Link to comment https://www.rockstarsocialclub.net/forums/topic/2805-hoping-for-the-best-for-scotland/#findComment-45788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
handcuff_charlie 801 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) The America I live in seems to behave as if it couldnt give away its freedom and liberty fast enough. Election after election people apparently approve of more and more government control over everything and anything under the sun....no matter how disastrous it has already turned out for decades now. The lessons never get learned. That is the opposite of freedom and liberty. Scotland will be in control of their own fate, for better or worse if they gain independence. So it is not entirely true to say a yes vote will be better or worse. It all depends on what they will do with independence. It's funny, I watched this unfold while living in Germany and it was clear that the PM and the ruling party thought the vote would serve THEIR political purposes of appeasement with little chance of actually turning out the way they dont want. Now that it is apparent that they can actually lose the referendum, they are pulling out all the stops to prevent it, trying to get the royal family involved, trying to bribe with political deals that were apparently off the table all this time until they realized they will lose control over them. I hope Scotland doesnt use similar electronic voting machines similar to the ones here in the USA....if so, you can rest assured that the government will get their desired outcome, but it will be close enough of a margin, combined with the media hype, to maintain a false image of integrity. Edited September 18, 2014 by handcuff_charlie Quote "handcuff, should I join XDBX?" Link to comment https://www.rockstarsocialclub.net/forums/topic/2805-hoping-for-the-best-for-scotland/#findComment-45820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pb76 3,952 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 I heard they're gonna detach themselves from the rest of the uk and sail off around the world 5 Quote Link to comment https://www.rockstarsocialclub.net/forums/topic/2805-hoping-for-the-best-for-scotland/#findComment-45822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey 1,680 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 I suspect an awful lot will vote with their hearts instead of their heads, the Scots are a fiercely proud nation. Like HC said, for better or worse, no one knows. It was a hard decision to make today on which way to vote, breaking a 300 year old union is monumental. My Dad was Scottish, my Mam is English so my heart is in both camps. My head however hopes it has made the right decision, uncharted territory or familiar ground, time will tell. Quote Link to comment https://www.rockstarsocialclub.net/forums/topic/2805-hoping-for-the-best-for-scotland/#findComment-45825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
handcuff_charlie 801 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) I'm displaced English "me-self". England....is a total mess. If I were Scottish, and my home was going to be dragged into total ruin, I'd want to be the one responsible for doing it, not have it done at the benefit of someone else. As for dissolving Unions....what people probably dont understand and probably isnt even being included in the narrative the media controls is the reality that Unions are only ever formed voluntarily as the result of 3 things: an intense, indefinite, symmetrical foreign threat, elites exploiting a security crisis to spark the unification process, and effective manipulation by the elites of media/military/politcal-processes.....the latter two are very closely tied together. When this condition threatening the survival of the unified states ceases to exist, the union either fails to form in the first place or the union itself dissolves or is destined to dissolve without coercion to keep it in place. The UK was not formed voluntarily. So if Scotland possesses all the qualities and capacities of a state itself, then it is only natural that this union would dissolve if it is no longer being forced on the Scots and there is no external existential threat to England, Wales, and Scotland that drives them to stick together. There has only been two successful voluntary unions in modern history...the United States of America and Switzerland. In the case of the USA it can be argued that the current state of the union is in fact a forced union as a result of our civil war which stopped the inevitable dissolution of the USA once the external threats were no longer sufficient enough to compel union. I dont know much about Switzerland, but it is the only other successful example of a voluntary union. The rest were forced. Mohammed (in all spelling variations) is the most common name for male children every year in England for the last 5 years. Second place isnt even close when compared to the total spelling variations. England has maybe 25 years tops before it becomes a disaster. The sooner Scotland gets control over its own affairs and gets control over its southern border. The better a position it will be in to deal with a chaotic England in the near future. Of course if Scotland wants independence because England isn't socialist enough for them, then they will be long bankrupt before 25 years ever comes to pass and islamic tyranny may be a welcome thing by then, but at least they did it to themselves. Edited September 18, 2014 by handcuff_charlie 1 Quote "handcuff, should I join XDBX?" Link to comment https://www.rockstarsocialclub.net/forums/topic/2805-hoping-for-the-best-for-scotland/#findComment-45831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey 1,680 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Well voting closed an hour ago so we'll soon know either way Quote Link to comment https://www.rockstarsocialclub.net/forums/topic/2805-hoping-for-the-best-for-scotland/#findComment-45918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoggy 378 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 I hope Scotland doesnt use similar electronic voting machines similar to the ones here in the USA I'm just glad CNN aren't counting the votes 5 Quote Link to comment https://www.rockstarsocialclub.net/forums/topic/2805-hoping-for-the-best-for-scotland/#findComment-45935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
handcuff_charlie 801 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 yep.....par for the course Quote "handcuff, should I join XDBX?" Link to comment https://www.rockstarsocialclub.net/forums/topic/2805-hoping-for-the-best-for-scotland/#findComment-45950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoggy 378 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) Votes so far after 23/32 councils declare results: YES - 45.66% (1,055,716) NO - 54.34% (1,256,372) Edited September 19, 2014 by Smoggy Quote Link to comment https://www.rockstarsocialclub.net/forums/topic/2805-hoping-for-the-best-for-scotland/#findComment-45952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielle 3,007 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I had to buy wifi so I could see what's going on over here it's looking like a no. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.rockstarsocialclub.net/forums/topic/2805-hoping-for-the-best-for-scotland/#findComment-46014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoggy 378 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Sure is, Dani Only 9 councils left to declare and with the majority of them being pro-union, it's already a win for the 'No' vote, so I can go to sleep happy United we stand! Divided we fall! Quote Link to comment https://www.rockstarsocialclub.net/forums/topic/2805-hoping-for-the-best-for-scotland/#findComment-46020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielle 3,007 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 That's it finished with a no vote. I will sleep happy 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.rockstarsocialclub.net/forums/topic/2805-hoping-for-the-best-for-scotland/#findComment-46033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchemist3321 169 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Scotland doesn't have the resources and economy to support itself. Quote Link to comment https://www.rockstarsocialclub.net/forums/topic/2805-hoping-for-the-best-for-scotland/#findComment-46035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
G37 3,445 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I wonder without having looked into it too much myself other than knowing this was coming, will there be some kind of frequency in which this question will be officially posed again? Quote "If you ride like lightning, you're gonna crash like thunder." - The Place Between The Pines Link to comment https://www.rockstarsocialclub.net/forums/topic/2805-hoping-for-the-best-for-scotland/#findComment-46044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zmurko 7,622 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 No "FREEEEEDOOOOOM!!!" for Scotland then. It doesnt sound right to make a big decision like that with only 50%+ of support anyway. It should be a more decisive yes if it were to happen. When we had a referendum in 1990 to decide if we should gain our independance something like 93% of voters showed up and around 95% of those voted Yes, so it was a no brainer. 2 Quote S U N D A Y R A C I N G L E A G U E Link to comment https://www.rockstarsocialclub.net/forums/topic/2805-hoping-for-the-best-for-scotland/#findComment-46076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidCore89 7,404 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) I think the people of Scotland have made a wise decision. A win for the No vote by 200,000 shows that Scotland has spoken. I have spoken to a lot of Scots since the result and the general consensus from those who voted Yes is sheer anger and hatred towards the UK and the others Scots who voted No. I've seen the Yes voters calling the No voters an embarrassment and a disgrace to Scotland when it is they who have disgraced themselves and their country by directing so much hate at their own people - everyone had the right to vote either way so why are people being slated for voting No? I would vote No too. The Yes voters seem to be the stereotypical angry and aggressive Scot with no idea of what their vote actually meant, it was all about looking cool on Facebook, slating the rest of the UK, the government and anyone else who went against what they wanted. The people who voted No seem to be a totally different type of person but maybe I'm wrong, after all I'm not Scottish. It's a real shame that the Yes voters seemed to think they were some kind of radical group and now their true colours are showing with the hatred they are giving to others. IMO, it is the right choice - running your own country, government and everything that comes with it is not as easy as hosting the Commonwealth Games. Edited September 19, 2014 by DavidCore89 4 Quote Link to comment https://www.rockstarsocialclub.net/forums/topic/2805-hoping-for-the-best-for-scotland/#findComment-46081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pb76 3,952 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 There was a young scot on the radio just now who said she didn't have enough info about what would happen if she had voted yes, there seemed to be a lot of uncertainty about a lot of important things IMO, so I think Voting NO was the best outcome. Quote Link to comment https://www.rockstarsocialclub.net/forums/topic/2805-hoping-for-the-best-for-scotland/#findComment-46099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortround 1,160 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 There was a young scot on the radio just now who said she didn't have enough info about what would happen if she had voted yes, there seemed to be a lot of uncertainty about a lot of important things IMO, so I think Voting NO was the best outcome. When I started reading that I was expecting a lymerick. Dissapointed. 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.rockstarsocialclub.net/forums/topic/2805-hoping-for-the-best-for-scotland/#findComment-46110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielle 3,007 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 David you are absolutely spot on. Pb that's why I didn't vote yes, they had no answers for any of the important questions. As a taxpayer not knowing what we're getting into just wasn't good enough. I am proud to be Scottish and after spending time travelling with 6 English people who call the UK England I was tempted to vote yes, but I have half a brain to know that it's not that simple 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.rockstarsocialclub.net/forums/topic/2805-hoping-for-the-best-for-scotland/#findComment-46111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pb76 3,952 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 When I started reading that I was expecting a lymerick. Dissapointed. There was a young scot on the news, who had an addiction to booze, she tried to vote yes, but her head was a mess, so she threw up all over her shoes. 7 Quote Link to comment https://www.rockstarsocialclub.net/forums/topic/2805-hoping-for-the-best-for-scotland/#findComment-46118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortround 1,160 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 : SHOUT : Fucking genius!!! 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.rockstarsocialclub.net/forums/topic/2805-hoping-for-the-best-for-scotland/#findComment-46122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoggy 378 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I am proud to be Scottish and after spending time travelling with 6 English people who call the UK England I was tempted to vote yes I actually felt ashamed reading this, Dani and I apologise on behalf of all stupid English people. I am half English, half Irish (Northern) but have always regarded myself as British and am proud to continue to do so. And I am so happy that Scotland has decided to remain part of the family 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.rockstarsocialclub.net/forums/topic/2805-hoping-for-the-best-for-scotland/#findComment-46131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kudisanga 380 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 one thing that come out of referendum is that a country is divided on what path they should go. as outsider living in england i thing that, they didn't expect the YES gaining that support and it was kind funny seeing all politicians going up north on last ditch to try not to loose the Scots.. those oils fields at north sea....................... Quote Link to comment https://www.rockstarsocialclub.net/forums/topic/2805-hoping-for-the-best-for-scotland/#findComment-46226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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